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In any discussion of eugenics, 4 out of 5 abled people will say it’s not eugenics, and 9 out of 10 will say it’s a good thing.

This isn't about the sometimes-awkward intersection of anti-eugenicism and reproductive rights. This is about the idea that the way to address disability issues is to eliminate certain groups of people, rather than to try to include and accommodate all people. This scares me.

In any discussion of eugenicism, abled people will speak over disabled people, and silence disabled people, to decide whose life is worth living.

Abled people don’t generally have the knowledge or the moral authority to say we should eliminate some inborn condition among disabled people. Disabled people, living with that particular condition, may have the knowledge and moral authority, and we may disagree with each other. Abled people, if anything, have an obligation to en-able those they have previously dis-abled.
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Richard Dawkins has recently said it would be immoral not to abort a fetus with Downs':

http://www.theguardian.com/science/2014/aug/21/richard-dawkins-immoral-not-to-abort-a-downs-syndrome-foetus

I think his comments are ableist, and disrespect Downs people, and disrespect reproductive rights. I just got hit by an incapacitating auditory bombardment, and I haven't recovered, so trust me that this society is ableist.

Someone asked, in the discussion, why eugenics [and eugenicism] are wrong:

http://discussion.theguardian.com/comment-permalink/39736806

I offered the following partial explanations:

Primarily because much of the difficulty of living with disabilities comes from lack of understanding, discrimination, lack of accommodations, and so on.

Eugenics doesn't help with these things, and it anything will hurt when it comes to these things.

Partly because genetics is more complicated.


I am autistic. I have asthma. I would dread the elimination of future autistic people. I would hope for the prevention of future asthma.

I think, as a general guide, we need strong reproductive rights, we need strong accommodations, and when we have these things, and when people with disabilities would rather have avoided these disabilities, and when the gene interactions won't be an issue, [and when we remove the various racist, neurotypicalist, etc. influences], then I think eugenics wouldn't be wrong any more.


So what do you think?

Trigger Warning for Dehumanization, Ableism, and Eugenicism )

P.S. One of Dawkin's supporters has stated:

Seems odd that people would purposely want to have a DS child when they could abort it, since it would be more of a pet than a child


http://www.theguardian.com/science/2014/aug/21/richard-dawkins-apologises-downs-syndrome-tweet?commentpage=7

We are on the road to another Aktion T4, if we don’t stop this.

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